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I was wondering a little about the relationship between Paul Simon and Carrie Fisher. Where did they meet and why did they break up?
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Welcome. There is lots of information on this site and a very handy search tool for recovering it. I suggest a good way to begin is to put Paul and Carrie or just Carrie Fisher in the search category and browse through the threads that come up. My recollection is this subject has been covered several times so you should get your questions answered.

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Wow, after reading some of those old threads, some people weren't too kind when referring back to her haha, and because they're locked I shall put my comments here:

 

I think she's awesome. She has a very good sense of humour, but unfortunatly it can often be construed as mean.

 

I think I once read someone (perhaps it was Eddie) said that her and Paul were just too alike.

 

There was also that whole business with drugs, and the miscarriage, etc... but most of those are adressed in the other topics.

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Welcome, Porta. Tell us a little (or a lot) about yourself. How long have you been a fan.

 

In the documentary from 1992 (Born at the Right Time) Eddie said that it was almost like they both had too much horsepower to exist in the same room. He said that it was a passionate love affair and that they both tried real hard.


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Welcome Porta!


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I think they met through the whole SNL scene. Paul & Artie were very involved with the cast for a while. Paul dated a couple of women he met through the SNL scene. Turns out Paul was just like Carrie's Father, small and Jewish, although a far nicer person. Even Carrie Fisher has stated that her Father is not a very nice person. They had a relationship for a while and then Carrie walked out on Paul and made the final Star Wars film. Then they got back together again. Altogether, they were an item for a long time but the relationship was always on-off, always blowing hot & cold. It seems Paul was reluctant to marry because of his first marriage which ended very badly and really hurt him emotionally and financially. But eventually they decided on the spur of the moment to do it and it turned out to be a huge big fiasco with the press and everything. They could only manage a 3 day honey moon because Paul & Art were in the middle of their reunion tour of 1983. Apparently Art and his girlfriend, who I believe was Penny Marshall at the time, were invited along on Paul & Carrie's honey moon which was a cruise down the Nile. Very strange, no wonder Carrie said they were too close. Anyway - less than a year after the wedding they split up for good although there was a tale that they did date briefly in the early 90s, although I though Paul was dating Edie Brickell from the late 80s ... ? Anyway, Carrie Fisher was basically a nut and Paul is better off without her. She was addicted to drugs and suffered from bi-polar and was really messed up, spent time in rehab, etc. Edie is far more grounded and normal.
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I didn't think they were split up during the Star Wars filming, because I read that he went and visited her in England... And Penny Marshall is (or was) Carrie Fisher's best friend, so it was probably just as nice for Carrie to have her best friend there as Paul was to have his good friend.

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No it wasn't during the filming - it was in between the second last and last film. She walked off on him and went off to make the film. That's what I heard on the Biography Channel anyway. I also heard somewhere else that he wanted her to be a stay-at-home housewife and raise their kids but she refused and continued working and ultimately this led to her miscarriage - don't know if this is true or not. It may be true when you consider how Edie Brickell put her career on hold to marry Paul and raise their kids and you'll probably find Peggy Harper did the same. He seems to like that old-fashioned idea of the man going out to work and the wife being a home-maker. I suppose he reckons he earns enough money. He mentions it in 'Darling Lorraine', he mentions something about her not wanting to be a homemaker... I reckon this is a throw back to the days of him & Carrie. But I thought Carrie was a bit mean about him when she was interviewed on TV here in Ireland ... she was a bit scathing to say the least. She mentioned him being small and bald and turned her eyes up to heaven several times when she recalled their marriage and basically inferred that she cannot believe she was ever married to him. I really got the impression she thinks he's an egotistical troll, to be honest. I could be totally wrong but I had an unpleasant feeling while she was talking about him. She was funny too though. She said they started dating again after they broke up, don't know whether she meant after the Star wars film or after they divorced but she added 'Never do anything I have done!' and I said 'Ok, Carrie, I wont marry Paul and then divorce him ....'
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I have also read that she said he was her great love, but that he wanted her to be an intellectual Geisha. I am quite sure that their relationship was very complicated. They were together on and off for a long time. I have never heard him say anything mean about her.


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What did he mean by an intellectual Geisha...?

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Someone who is very smart but would always be right at his beck and call.
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That is what she said she thought he wanted not what he said he wanted!


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Haha okay, just checking. Had he said that, I don't know if I'd stick around either.

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He could call me anything he wanted and I'd stick around!

Carrie also said they were like two flowers wilting in the sun. Paul just said 'What was I thinking?' and went on to explain that you can't do everything at once - get back with your old singing partner, do a world tour, record an album and get married and try to make it all work. He said you have to do one thing at a time and not try to do everything at once. He did take a year off after the 1983 world tour with Art but it obviously wasn't enough. To see Carrie Fisher today - she's a live wire, totally wrong for him in my opinion. It never would have worked. He doesn't seem to get along with those kind of pushy, brash women. Like that one with the red hair he was trying to record 'Gone at Last' with, can't remember her name? He's so mellow and she's wired to the moon ... that was bound to be a failure! She ended up telling him 'Shake your ass Paul!' because he was taking so long making his mind up about the song. I think it's hilarious and I think he does now too but at the time, he dumped her! Another woman who he never would have gotten along with would be Barbra Streisand - she's too independant. I think those southern, laid-back, easy-going girls, like Edie Brickell are probably perfect for his nature.

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I agree they seem like complete opposites, but I think that had they stayed together they probably would have been different people than they are now. Eh who knows?

 

And I think the redhead you're referring to is Bette Midler. Indeed another "diva" (as is Barbra Streisand).

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Marcia dear

I know you will probably not receive this well but it seems that our beloved Paul wants to be the only diva in the act.

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Had to laugh at the idea of his being 'small and bald'. You mean she didn't notice before they married? Human beings come in all shapes & sizes - tall, short, fat, thin, bald or hairy. You can take your pick but don't come back later for a refund!

 

An 'egotistical troll'?: now there's a useful expression to keep in the armoury!


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Ohhh....I'm Southern, laid back, and easy going! It doesn't get much more Southern than Memphis. But, I must be practical, at almost 5'9" I'm a bit too tall for dear Paul! Anyway, I'm holding out for Art.


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Yes maybe Carrie liked the idea of Paul being similar to her Father. You know how some people look for partners that resemble their parents? But then by the time they fell apart, she probably couldn't stand the sight of her small & bald ex-husband. And 'egotistical troll' is not an original expression. It comes from someone on this board who reported that a friend worked with Paul or had some dealings with him and found him to be totally arrogant. And seemingly a lot of people in England in the 60s thought that too, when Paul was working the clubs around London before he bacame famous. Apparently he used to say 'I'm going to become famous, I'll be a millionaire by the time I'm 30'. And then there's 'I have an inferior stature but a superior brain'. Yes I agree sometimes, Paul wants to be the only diva in the show ... oh I'm being a bit hard on poor Paulie. Do you remember some reporter called him a 'tubby ballerina' because of the way he moved his arms during 'Bridge Over Troubled Water'? He he he!
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As shameful as it is for me for admit, that "tubby ballerina" comment made me laugh so hard I cried when I first read it . . . I'm sorry, but what a hilarious thing to say!

 

As for Carrie's miscarriage, apparently it was an ectopic pregnancy (if that's the right term . . .) and so it was a bit abnormal from the start.

 

She may be a wingnut, but then again, I can't blame her for being bitter about Paul. Think about it: he's found his self-proclaimed "domestic bliss", and she's wound up alone with some serious emotional/medical problems. I would be bitter if I were her, too.

 

And, uh . . . I would be Paul's slave if that's what he wanted. Seriously. I turn to jelly just at the thought of getting to be his girlfriend!

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He must have had a chip on his shoulder at the time. He  obviously didn't know that here in England it's definitely not the done thing to admit to having ambitions and certainly not a superior brain! People would think he was too big for his boots and bring him down a peg or two.


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That's interesting, littleO.  I guess in the U.S., anyway, Paul's ambition wouldn't be so unusual, in fact it's rather encouraged (or used to be, anyway... I am notoriously out of touch with my own country).  There is a fine line, however, between being ambitious and being egotistical... admittedly sometimes it's hard to distinguish them, but personally I don't think Paul was being an egoist at all.  According to Paul's biography written by Laura Jackson, everyone who knew him in London said he was very serious about his work, but also very polite and sweet.

And Brandy, heh, that comment made me laugh too, the image is hilarious!  A little mean of the reviewer, perhaps, but funny all the same. 


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I am sure that Paul has an ego, but it has helped him get where he is. Also,I think that he is harder on himself than anyone else is. I think that Carrie wanted out of the marriage so she can't blame Paul for all of her unhappiness. I always say that I am certainly happy that everything I have said isn't out there for everyone to read and comment on for years. Small, bald, tubby ballerina with an ego or not I am certainly glad he has been around all these years...and I still think he is cute as the dickens. Of course, I am a bit prejudiced.
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I read in one book that at one of Paul's solo concerts in the early 70's, Harper had gone out on stage and stolen the show. Afterwords, Paul and his wife (at the time) were in the elevator, and his wife said something to the effect that a genius had been born, Paul quickly corrected her and said something like a genius had been duplicated (or recreated). I'm quite sure I'm butchering the quote to some sad effect. Anyway, the idea remains in tact: he does sound arrogant!

His arrogance really doesn't bother me though, I figure he is one of the greatest songwriters in history, that gives him a right to be arrogant!


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Don't mean to correct you Hallie, but what actually happened was that Paul was rehearsing for a concert and minding Harper at the same time. Harper had a Superman costume on (he was probably only about 5 or 6) and he the whole time Paul was rehearsing, Harper was running past him, up and down the stage pretending to fly like Superman. Someone commented 'A star is born!' and Paul corrected him with 'A star is duplicated!' which of course is a very big-headed thing to say. Of course, Harper turned out to be no star! The saying 'the apple doesn't fall far from the tree' doesn't work in this case. But then again, I don't know Harper, I'm sure he's a star in Paul's eyes.
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And there's another story of how Paul is so obsessive about his work that he actually times the songs he's rehearsing by the clock. On one ocassion he actually watched a clock as he was singing 'Still Crazy' to make sure he sang it not a minute too fast or a minute too slow ... and he finished right on the button and was well pleased with himself. As if it matters, right?
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But Paul is one of the most generous stars: he cofound the CHF, gives it money and time...it is not a "i go to a charity concert, sing two songs and go back to my beautiful house"...

He certainly has a big ego but i think Carrie has too...i really like her books, they are funny but they always talk about her...in fact, she always talks about herself...once she said proudly that the album Graceland was about her...

During their relationships, she was a drug addict and later, she discovered she had a mental illness: so, maybe Paul is not the only one to blame for their failure...

She seems to change her mind very often about him: sometimes he is an egoist man, other times, he was the love of her life or once, she told that she had nothing to say about him but good things...so...If he was so bad, why did she come to his concerts after their last and definitive break up?

 

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Okay, I tried to ignore this thread because you girls (at least some of you) are so young and have much to learn about relationships.

But I agree with Marieno and I think you shouldn't judge so easily about Paul or Carrie. People say oft different things or change their mind, I think we all do that, we all grow in life, it's all a learningprocess of life.

For me Paul's music is what is important and not what he said in an interview 20 years ago or so. He makes great music, has a great sense of humour, is a great dad and familyman and indeed generous for charity.

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Marcia, thanks for fixing my story. I knew that I was butchering it. I had read the story about a year ago in the Simon and Garfunkel biography by Victoria Kingston. My memory should be better for someone of my age


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Yes Paul is very generous. He refused to have a childrens hospital ward named after him which is a very modest thing to do. I don't think the album 'Graceland' was about Carrie but rather the song 'Graceland' and then, only partly about her. I mean, he has other songs about Peggy Harper. I'm sure she was the love of his life too once upon a time. Anyway, that's all history. Paul is with Edie now, so who cares about Carrie or Peggy, except only that Peggy is the Mother of his son. Edie doesn't seem pushy or wanting to be in the limelight all the time. She's more grounded and the marriage is a success ... how many years are they married now? 14 or 15? They've 3 nice kids and seem very happy and that's all that matters. I wish Paul would hand out a photo of his kids just so we can see them. I know he's very protective of them, but other famous people do it and their kids don't get kidnapped. I mean all their neighbours and school friends & all must know what they look like and who they are. He had them on stage with him during the Old Friends concerts, it doesn't take a genious to work out who they are. One little photo of the three of them sitting on the couch together ... how cute!
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Random, but related...Someone once said that Paul used to stick pins in her Princess Leia doll...and, well, I guess they were right!

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Wow,we`ve been off this board for some time and you have such an interesting discussion here!Well,thanks for all these information about what Carrie said about Paul etc. we didn`t know all that.Well,we`d just like to add some things:First of all yes,Paul and Eddie Fisher are really the exact same type of man.Carrie must have looked for someone like her papa!And Paul is sth. like an egotistical troll,Artie also always blamed Paul`s ego for everything, but sometimes we can understand him.When we were still in High School we sometimes felt like Paul,intellectual superior,although it doesn`t soung good to admitt it.We also like that Paul wants to have a real family with a mama who is there for his children and we are glad that with Edie he got what he wanted although that is regarded as old-fashioned by many people.Like you all we would also love to see more photos of them,Artie always showed photos of James and he wasn`t kidnapped and didn`t get arrogant.So,Paul!Please show us some photos!!!

As for that "ballerina" comment:We get so angry on all these journalists who make fun of Paul`s hand motions because we like them very very much!!!And please don`t say anything about Harper!We like him very very much,too.We are so glad Paul has a son like Harper!

 

Best wishes,Julia and Gina

 

P.S:Has anyone more information on that honeymoon of Paul and Carrie together with Artie and Penny Marshall?That sounds so interesting.

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Carrie Fisher said in an interview that "one" of her ex-husbands used to stick pins in the Princess Leah doll, but we can only assume it was Paul. How many ex-husbands does she have? It could have been any of them.
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Paul, did you stick pins in a Princess Leah doll?

"Of course not, Marcia!"

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I think that Paul wrote a trilogy of songs about his relationship with Carrie - try listening to "Hearts And Bones," "Graceland," and "She Moves On" in order. 

 

By the way, Kathryn, could it have been that the Princess Leah doll just had a needle sticking out of its arm?


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Actually Carrie confirmed that it was Paul in a recent speech at George Lucas' AFI Life Time Achievement Award ceremony.

 

Me being a huge Star Wars fan, I read the transcript (which is hilarious), and she said something along the lines of "George, the fact that you made me into a little doll that my first husband could stick pins into...". Unless she has a secret first husband hehe, that would be Paul.


PS Marcia, she's only been married twice.

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Yes, she said her second husband forgot to tell her he was actually bi-s*xuall and that's why they split up! She still had a baby with him, a little girl. Maybe she was too drugged to notice he was gay.
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Hi there!

That thing with the doll in which Paul put needles is somehow funny!We two always said,well just for fun,that Paul  and Artie have little dolls of each other in which they put needles.Now Paul really did sth. like that!!!

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Someone mentioned that Paul must like his wives to stay at home and take care of the kids because Carrie said it and that Edie put her career on hold etc.

 

Edie chose to do his herself because she spent her childhood as a latchkey kid. They didn't have much money so her mum worked all hours and he kids hardly saw her. And Edie was determined she wasn't going to do the same to her own children and so put her career on hold.

 

Also Carrie said it was a decision on they both made together, not that Paul demanded or anything.


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Have you ever suspected that someone was using the Princess Leia action figure as a voodoo doll?

My ex-husband. I swear to God, he had a little doll of me and he'd put a pin in it. I found it in his drawer I promise you. He was made at me at the time.

Did you feel the prick?

No. He used to do stuff when he got mad at me that was so weird. When I think he was probably this age that I am now when he put pins in the Princess Leia doll, it's so weird. I should have had a V-8.

How long were you and Paul Simon married?

We married at 26 but I'd already been with him for around 5 years. So it was this weird afterthought, or not, and then we stayed married for a second. I think the divorce was final after two years and then we got back together again for a while. So, off and on for like 13 years. There'd be a year we didn't speak, but that was the relationship.
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Thank you, Guest, for this interesting (inside?) information.
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Paul was about 40 when he married Carrie Fisher. She says he was looking for an intellectual geisha.

I assume that was Paul she was talking about when she said he'd do weird stuff when he was mad at her ... it's a bit scary because I also know someone whose Husband pretends to torture her teddies, by sticking needles in them, only he stick lots in and leaves them there for when she comes home!

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Sorry, I'm confused...

Guest, was that a part of an interview?
Or can anyone else help me?
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Sorry... yes, that was part of an interview.
Here's the link http://www.dennishensley.com/CarrieFisher93.htm
Scroll down about 3/4...
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I think Carrie likes to make things up and laugh at the fact people fall for it. She's funny that way.
I can't picture "down to earth" Paul Simon having voodoo dolls.
I wouldn't think he'd believe in that sort of thing anyway .
I think it's one of Carrie's jokes to say that about him.
She also called him the best ex husband a woman could ever have. So I'd rather believe that.
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...and has also referred to him as the love of her life. I rather believe they kind of drove each other crazy and couldn't live with or without each other for many years.
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Paul's brother, Eddie said there was too much energy in the room when they were both in the same room together.
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He said that they each had two much horsepower.
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